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    March 13, 2009 at 06:30 AM
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I asked my Priest if it was right to take off my scapular for a shower....
His response was that he didn't believe that carmilite nuns washed fully clothed.
Yes we were joking around but he said it was ok to do as such and if something were to happen when I took a shower or went for a dip in the river that Our Lady knows who's hers and our heart.


You beat me to it.  If someone wants to wear it while they are showering, then I'm sure there's nothing wrong with that, but to suggest that it is necessary or that someone is doing wrong for not doing it, then that sounds like a bunch of superstition.  It is interesting that people tend to put more significance on how it's worn, than on how one must live if one wears it.


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    March 13, 2009 at 06:46 AM
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I asked my Priest if it was right to take off my scapular for a shower....
His response was that he didn't believe that carmilite nuns washed fully clothed.
Yes we were joking around but he said it was ok to do as such and if something were to happen when I took a shower or went for a dip in the river that Our Lady knows who's hers and our heart.


You beat me to it.  If someone wants to wear it while they are showering, then I'm sure there's nothing wrong with that, but to suggest that it is necessary or that someone is doing wrong for not doing it, then that sounds like a bunch of superstition.  It is interesting that people tend to put more significance on how it's worn, than on how one must live if one wears it.



You are right about that. If you do not say the Rosary every day and live a good Christian life then the Scapular means nothing.



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    March 13, 2009 at 08:40 AM
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Oh!  Do I have to say the entire rosary every day if I wear it?  Or can I say other prayers instead?  I didn't know there were rules, other than, of course, living a good Christian life.

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    March 13, 2009 at 03:34 PM
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Just for that, I'm going to put my brown scapular back on. Even if it itches. Even if it chokes me (I'm sure my Mother Mary won't let it kill me...and even if she does, she promised to take time off my purgatory .   It's just the right penance. Don't you think?!
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p.s. Camille, you really must read the link Kathy posted earlier. It will answer all your questions. Straight from the horse's mouth.

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Oh!  Do I have to say the entire rosary every day if I wear it?  Or can I say other prayers instead?  I didn't know there were rules, other than, of course, living a good Christian life.

Camille



http://www.freebrownscapular.com/brown_scapular_history.html

    The Sabbatine Privilege
    The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from
    the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in Purgatory if they should pass from this world
    still owing some debt of punishment.

    This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and,
    speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular, said, “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend
    on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in Purgatory I shall free so that I
    may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”

    The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions, which must be fulfilled:
  • Wear the Brown Scapular continuously
  • Observe chastity according to one’s state in life (married/single)
  • Recite daily the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin OR Observe the fasts of the Church
    together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays OR With
    permission of a priest, say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary OR With
    permission of a priest, substitute some other good work.

    Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff, granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly
    kissing your scapular.




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Something else you should get is the Miraculous Medal...

http://www.amm.org/medal.asp

The Miraculous Medal Story
and Its Meaning
 
 
                                                               
The Medal of the Immaculate Conception — popularly known as the Miraculous Medal — was designed by the Blessed Virgin herself! No wonder, then that it wins such extraordinary graces for those who wear it and pray for Mary's intercession and help.

The First Apparition1st Apparition

The story begins on the night of July 18-19, 1830. A child (perhaps her guardian angel) awakened Sister (now Saint) Catherine Labouré, a novice in the community of the Daughters of Charity in Paris, and summoned her to the chapel. There she met with the Virgin Mary and spoke with her for several hours. During the conversation Mary said to her, “My child, I am going to give you a mission.”

2nd ApparitionThe Second Apparition

Mary gave her this mission in a vision during evening meditation on November 27, 1830. She saw Mary standing on what seemed to be half a globe and holding a golden globe in her hands as if offering it to heaven. On the globe was the word “France,” and our Lady explained that the globe represented the whole world, but especially France. The times were difficult in France then, especially for the poor who were unemployed and often refugees from the many wars of the time. France was first to experience many of those troubles which ultimately reached many other parts of the world and are even present today. Streaming from rings Mary's fingers as she held the globe were many rays of light. Mary explained that the rays symbolize the graces she obtains for those who ask for them. However, some of the gems on the rings were dark, and Mary explained that the rays and graces were available but did not come because no one had asked for them.

The Third Apparition and the Miraculous Medal

The vision then changed to show our Lady standing on a globe with her arms now outstretched and with the dazzling rays of light still streaming from her fingers. Framing the figure was an inscription: O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.

Front of the Miraculous Medal
The Meaning of the Front Side
of the Miraculous Medal

Mary is standing upon a globe, crushing the head of a serpent beneath her foot. She stands upon the globe, as the Queen of Heaven and Earth. Her feet crush the serpent to proclaim Satan and all his followers are helpless before her (Gn 3:15). The year of 1830 on the Miraculous Medal is the year the Blessed Mother gave the design of the Miraculous Medal to Saint Catherine Labouré. The reference to Mary conceived without sin supports the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary—not to be confused with the virgin birth of Jesus, and referring to Mary's sinlessness, “full of grace” and “blessed among women” (Luke 1:28)—that was proclaimed 24 years later in 1854.
The vision turned and showed the design of the reverse side of the medal. Twelve stars encircled a large "M" from which arose a cross. Below are two hearts with flames arising from them. One heart is encircled in thorns and the other is pierced by a sword.
                                       
Back of the Miraculous Medal
The Meaning of the Back
Side of the Miraculous Medal
       
        The twelve stars can refer to the Apostles, who represent the entire Church as it surrounds Mary. They also recall the vision of Saint John, writer of the Book of Revelation (12:1), in which “a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars.” The cross can symbolize Christ and our redemption, with the bar under the cross a sign of the earth. The “M” stands for Mary, and the interleaving of her initial and the cross shows Mary’s close involvement with Jesus and our world. In this we see Mary’s part in our salvation and her role as mother of the Church. The two hearts represent the love of Jesus and Mary for us. (See also Lk 2:35).
       
       

Then Mary spoke to Catherine: “Have a medal         struck upon this model. Those who wear it will receive great graces, especially         if they wear it around the neck.” Catherine explained the entire series of apparitions to her confessor, and         she worked through him to carry out Mary’s instructions. She did not reveal that she received the Medal         until soon before her death 47 years later. 3rd Apparition

       

With approval of the Church, the first Medals were made in 1832 and were distributed         in Paris. Almost immediately the blessings that Mary had promised began to shower         down on those who wore her Medal. The devotion spread like wildfire. Marvels of grace and health, peace and         prosperity, following in its wake. Before long people were calling it the “Miraculous”         Medal. And in 1836, a Canonical inquiry undertaken at Paris declared the apparitions         to be genuine.

       

There is no superstition, nothing of magic, connected with the Miraculous         Medal. The Miraculous Medal is not a “good-luck charm”. Rather, it is a great         testimony to faith and the power of trusting prayer. Its greatest miracles are         those of patience, forgiveness, repentance, and faith. God uses a Medal, not as a sacrament, but as an         agent, an instrument, in bringing to pass certain marvelous results. “The weak         things of this earth hath God chosen to confound the strong.”

       

When our Blessed Mother gave the design of the medal to Saint Catherine Labouré         she said, “Now it must be given to the whole world and to every person.” The         Association of the Miraculous Medal in Perryville, Missouri carries out our         Lady’s request in many ways, including offering you a free Miraculous Medal.




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    March 13, 2009 at 04:56 PM
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I asked my Priest if it was right to take off my scapular for a shower....
His response was that he didn't believe that carmilite nuns washed fully clothed.
Yes we were joking around but he said it was ok to do as such and if something were to happen when I took a shower or went for a dip in the river that Our Lady knows who's hers and our heart.


You beat me to it.  If someone wants to wear it while they are showering, then I'm sure there's nothing wrong with that, but to suggest that it is necessary or that someone is doing wrong for not doing it, then that sounds like a bunch of superstition.  It is interesting that people tend to put more significance on how it's worn, than on how one must live if one wears it.

Fr Heribert Jone's Moral Theology:

791. ...A temporary laying aside of the scapular is permitted, e.g. in bathing.



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    March 14, 2009 at 11:37 AM
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I never take mine off. I am not a good enough Christian to be without it. Plus, I figure that if I need a shower, it needs one, too. They soften up quickly when they are getting their shampoo.

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    March 14, 2009 at 01:10 PM
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I'll admit that I have not been following this thread super closely, but I thought I'd share a link for a blog:

http://immaculataconceptio.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/the-brown-scapular-everything-you-need-to-know-right-here/

Fr. George, the author/owner of the blog, is a priest in Lourdes.

Enjoy!


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